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Interchange – Targeting the Vulnerable: Charter Legislation and Urban School Districts


This conversation was excerpted for the program, “Darker than Blue: The Failure of School Integration.”

This is the full conversation between Interchange host Doug Storm and Joe Johnston, an assistant professor of sociology at Gonzaga University in Spokane, Washington, who earned his doctorate at Indiana University in Bloomington studying how and why Kentucky has not enacted any state charter laws in education. He studies Jefferson County schools in Louisville and compares it with Marion County Schools in Indianapolis to try to understand why Indianapolis became a national example of how to insert Charter schools into public education.

Joseph B. Johnston, Assistant Professor of Sociology at Gonzaga University. He teaches courses on Education, Law & Politics, Statistics, Social Psychology, and Introductory Sociology. He studies urban educational inequality, specifically how educational policies that contribute to, or reduce, inequality come to be adopted in the first place.

Producer & Host: Doug Storm
Executive Producer: Joe Crawford

Interchange – Darker Than Blue: The Failure of School Integration


“Darker Than Blue” is in three parts. The first is an excerpt of a conversation I had with with Joe Johnston, an assistant professor of sociology at Gonzaga University in Spokane, Washington, who earned his PhD at Indiana University in Bloomington studying how and why Kentucky has not enacted any state charter laws in education. He studies Jefferson County schools in Louisville and compares it with Marion County Schools in Indianapolis to try to understand why Indianapolis became a national example of how to insert Charter schools into public education. That full conversation will be available online as a podcast.

Part two is a musical bridge, and 8 minute song composed by jazz drummer Max Roach and featuring Abbey Lincoln called Triptych: Prayer, Protest, Peace. It comes off of Roach’s 1960 album We Insist! Max Roach’s Freedom Now Suite. Prepare yourself for the “protest” section of the song.

Part Three is a conversation with professor Carlton Waterhouse from the Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law to talk about the Supreme Court’s role in desegregation and also in resegregation. We’ll also talk about his work applying Social Dominance Theory to the history of Supreme Court Decisions.

The show will close with John Coltrane’s “Alabama” off of the 1963 album Live at Birdland which was written in response to the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing on September 15, 1963, an attack by the Ku Klux Klan in Birmingham, Alabama that killed four girls.

Joseph B. Johnston, Assistant Professor of Sociology at Gonzaga University. He teaches courses on Education, Law & Politics, Statistics, Social Psychology, and Introductory Sociology. He studies urban educational inequality, specifically how educational policies that contribute to, or reduce, inequality come to be adopted in the first place.

Carlton Waterhouse, Professor of Law and Dean’s Fellow. He is nationally recognized for his work on environmental justice and is known internationally for his research and writing on reparations for historic injustices and state human rights violations. Professor Waterhouse currently serves as a member of the Indiana Advisory Committee to the United States Civil Rights Commission.

“We People Who Are Darker Than Blue,” Curtis Mayfield
“Triptych: Prayer, Protest, Peace,” Max Roach (Abbey Lincoln)
“Alabama,” John Coltrane

Why Indiana has charter schools and Kentucky doesn’t
Resisting Charters: A Comparative Policy Development Analysis of Washington and Kentucky, 2002–2012
Carlton Waterhouse at United Days 2014
Racism, School Desegregation Laws and the Civil Rights Movement in the United States

Producer & Host: Doug Storm
Board Engineer: Jonathan Richardson
Executive Producer: Joe Crawford

Interchange – Writing Red: Joshua Clover On The Poetry and Politics of Riot


The work of Joshua Clover blends the worlds of poetry and economic crisis.

Poet, communist, cultural critic, translator, editor, and professor of literature and critical theory at the University of California Davis, Clover has published three acclaimed volumes of poetry: Madonna anno domini, The Totality for Kids and his most recent, Red Epic, published by Commune Editions, a small publisher founded by Clover and fellow poets Jasper Bernes and Juliana Spahr. He has also published two books of cultural theory: The Matrix (a BFI study of the film), and 1989: Bob Dylan Didn’t Have This to Sing About, “a tour de force of lyrical theory [which] boldly reimagines how we understand both pop music and its social context in a vibrant exploration of a year famously described as ‘the end of history.’”

Born in 1962 in Berkeley, California, and a continuing Bay Area resident, Clover’s forthcoming book Riot Strike Riot: The New Era of Uprisings, to-be published by Verso, explores the historical development of riots from a tactic for worker’s wage demands to post-1968 occupations challenging corporate and government malignance.

Clover will give a talk on riots as historical phenomena, on Saturday October 3 at the I. FELL building, located at 415 W 4th Street, at 5pm, followed by a reading from Red Epic as a part of the Ledge Mule Press Poetry Project.

Joshua Clover, professor of English, University of California @ Davis, specializes in 20th Century anglophone poetry and poetics, political economy, crisis theory, with an emphasis on political struggle in literature, environment, feminism, and cultures of finance. His book Riot.Strike.Riot: the New Era of Uprisings, a theorization of riot as historical phenomenon, is forthcoming from Verso in 2016. He has contributed articles to journals from Representations to Critical Inquiry, and keeps a column at The Nation. He has also published three books of poetry, most recently Red Epic.

Transistor” (Part 2 of “The Fire Sermon”)
(Stop it with your strategies)

“Talking Hotel Arbat Blues,” by Handsome Furs
“Run This Town,” by Jay-Z with Rihanna and Kanye West
“White Riot,” by The Clash
“Paper Planes,” by MIA

Interview With Joshua Clover by Ian Beattie (May 9, 2012)
The Epic 200-Tweet Story #HowIQuitSpin Is a Piece of Pop Culture Art
Police Eyes: A Conversation with Joshua Clover” by Anne Lesley Selcer (November 29, 2013)
The Power of Women and the Subversion of the Community” by Mariarosa Dalla Costa and Selma James

SPECIAL THANKS to Bella Bravo for production and editorial assistance.

Joe Mabel (Joshua Clover participating in the “The Worst Song Roundtable”, Saturday, April 18, 2015, Pop Conference 2015. JBL Theatre, EMP Museum, Seattle, Washington.)

Producer & Host: Doug Storm
Board Engineer: Jonathan Richardson
Executive Producer: Joe Crawford

Arts Interchange – Abby Lee On Hedda Gabler


Hedda Gabler has become Hedda Tesman in marriage to George Tesman. But the play is not called Hedda Tesman. And this must be our first indication of how an audience needs to be critical of the social world where marriage confers a new identity on a woman. Hedda will have none of that. But what has she had, and what will she find in this new circumstance? Hedda Gabler yearns to be an “artist of the beautiful act.”

Hedda Gabler is played by Abby Lee in the IU Theater Production. Abby joins us for this Arts Interchange to discuss a complicated woman who audiences tend to either love or hate.

The IU Theater opens Hedda Gabler in Ruth N. Halls Theater this Friday evening at 7:30 and will run through October 3rd.

Sept. 25, 26, 29-Oct 2, 2015, @ 7:30 p.m.
October 3 @ 2:00 p.m. and 7:30 p.m.
Ruth N. Halls Theatre

Hedda Gabler by Henrik Ibsen is translated by Rolf Fjelde
Directed by Dale McFadden

Abby Lee (Hedda Tesman)~ is a first-year M.F.A. student in acting. This is her Indiana University debut. Regional Theatre Favorites: Wait Until Dark (Susan), Talley’s Folly (Sally Talley), Barefoot In The Park (Corrie Bratter), OR (Nell/Maria), West Side Story (Maria), Into The Woods (Cinderella) and Young Frankenstein (Elizabeth). Film: Confessions of A Shopaholic, 21 and a Wakeup, Year For Silk, Spexy and Triptych. TV: Chicago PD. Abby received her undergraduate degree from Ohio Wesleyan University. She is from Chicago, Illinois.

Audience Guide to Hedda Gabler
Graduate student continues theatrical career at IU (IDS interview with Abby Lee)
Hedda Gabler and Elizabeth Robins: From Ibsen to Activism by Mary Christian (Robins produced and acted in the first London production in 1891)
Hedda Gabler, “One Of The Treats Of Being An Actor”

PHOTO: Abby Lee as Hedda Gabler, and Henry Woronicz as Judge Brack

Producer & Host: Doug Storm
Executive Producer: Joe Crawford

Interchange – George Kateb: Accentuate the Negative


With our guest, George Kateb, who has been called “the most interesting and important philosopher of liberalism alive today,”* we’ll focus on oppression and resistance. Our texts for this conversation will center on three essays from Kateb’s 2006 collection of essays, Patriotism and Other Mistakes: “Is Patriotism a Mistake,” “Socratic Integrity,” and “Wildness and Conscience: Thoreau and Emerson,” as well as selections from his 2011 book Human Dignity and his latest work Lincoln’s Political Thought.

The essays, says Kateb, “deal with serious oppression of people by public authorities. Human Dignity is in part a defense of human rights: rights that are meant to protect people against oppression by public authorities. Oppression causes physical and mental suffering and can also create violations of human dignity, some of them causing what I call unfelt oppression (ie, Huxley’s Brave New World); [then turning to] Lincoln’s Political Thought, where suffering and extreme violation of human dignity through dehumanization and degradation are caused by slavery. Thoreau invokes conscience but doesn’t rule out violence, and Lincoln comes to understand that only military violence could end the violence of slavery and its defenders.”

*John Burt, author of Lincoln’s Tragic Pragmatism

George Kateb is the William Nelson Cromwell Professor of Politics Emeritus at Princeton. An influential political theorist with an international reputation, he is a champion of democratic individuality and a critic of its many challengers. He is the author of Utopia and Its Enemies (1963); Political Theory; Its Nature and Uses (1968); Hannah Arendt: Politics, Conscience, Evil (1984); The Inner Ocean: Individualism and Democratic Culture (1992); Emerson and Self-Reliance (1994); Patriotism and Other Mistakes (2006); Human Dignity (2011); and Lincoln’s Political Thought (2015)

Charles Ives: Piano Sonata No. 2, “Concord, Mass., 1840-60″
i. Emerson
ii. Hawthorne
iii. The Alcotts
iv. Thoreau

Performed by Gilbert Kalish, piano; Samuel Baron, Flute; John Graham, viola

Patriotism: What Is It Good For?
Existential Democratic Individuality: A Conversation with George Kateb

Photo credit: www.thinkingaloud.com

Producer & Host: Doug Storm
Board Engineer: Jonathan Richardson
Executive Producer: Joe Crawford

Interchange – Necessary Trouble: March and The Example of John Lewis


Tonight we discuss the groundbreaking graphic novel series, March, an engaging and award-winning first-hand account of Congressman John Lewis’s lifelong struggle for civil and human rights. March: Book One spans Lewis’s youth in rural Alabama, his life-changing meeting with Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Nashville Student Movement’s battle to tear down segregation through nonviolent lunch counter sit-ins. The memoir trilogy continues in the newly released March: Book Two, including the 1961 Freedom Rides and the legendary 1963 March on Washington.

Andrew Aydin is the Digital Director & Policy Advisor to Congressman Lewis in Washington, D.C. and co-author of MARCH (two volumes of a trilogy have been published).

Nate Powell is a graphic novelist (and Bloomington resident) whose work includes March, the graphic novel autobiography of Congressman and civil rights icon John Lewis; Rick Riordan’s The Lost Hero, You Don’t Say, Any Empire, Swallow Me Whole (which won the 2009 Eisner Award for Best Original Graphic Novel), The Silence Of Our Friends, and The Year Of The Beasts.

Marilyn Wood is the the Director of the Monroe County Public Library


The Friends of the Library and Monroe County Public Library present:

The Power of Words
with John Lewis, Andrew Aydin, & Nate Powell
7:30 p.m. on September 21, 2015 at IU Auditorium

Monroe County Public Library and The Friends of the Library are honored to present The Power of Words featuring the authors of March: civil rights icon Congressman John Lewis, Andrew Aydin, and local artist Nate Powell. The Power of Words is a free, ticketed event and takes place Monday, September 21, at 7:30 p.m. in IU Auditorium. This event is co-sponsored with IU Union Board.

“The visit of Congressman John Lewis to Bloomington is especially timely, given the recent 50th anniversary of the historic Selma to Montgomery march that he co-led, which changed our country’s history. The Library is indebted to our multiple partners for working to ensure that the visit has a long-term, meaningful impact on our community,” said Sally Gaskill, Co-Chair of the 2015 Power of Words.

The Power of Words with Congressman John Lewis, Andrew Aydin, and Nate Powell
Teaching the Movement: The State Standards We Deserve
Rep. John Lewis’ Speech at the 1963 March on Washington
Martin Luther King and The Montgomery Story
John Robert Lewis (brief video biography)
The Comic Book That Changed the World: Martin Luther King and the Montgomery Story’s vital role in the Civil Rights Movement by Andrew Aydin

“Black, Brown and White” by Big Bill Broonzy
“Mississippi Goddamn” by Nina Simone
“A Change Is Gonna Come” by Sam Cooke
“Original Faubus Fables” by Charles Mingus

Producer & Host: Doug Storm
Board Engineer: Jonathan Richardson
Executive Producer: Joe Crawford

Interchange – The Endeavor to Tell Lines: The Music of Will Johnson (Extended)


Will Johnson joins us to talk about his new album, Swan City Vampires, and how it reflects an intense period of loss and mourning. With the passing of his mother and the breaking up of his band of seventeen years, Centro-matic, Will Johnson lost two of the most important things in his life. Swan City Vampires comes from inside of that mourning. But it also points forward. Will Johnson is known for many things, but standing still is not one of them.

Will Johnson is an American musician, singer-songwriter and painter who is the lead singer of the bands Centro-matic and South San Gabriel. Called “one of the most prolific artists in American indie rock”, Johnson has also released solo records, and is a member of the bands Monsters of Folk, New Multitudes and Overseas, and has also performed as part of the Undertow Orchestra. (Wikipedia)

“Nameless, But a Lover” (Swan City Vampire)
“All Gone, All Gone” (Molina & Johnson)
“Twenty Cycles to the Ground” (Molina & Johnson)
“Hearts” (Huey Lewis & the News)
“Hearts” (Will Johnson)
“Call, Call, Call” (Swan City Vampires)
“Made Us Feel Like (Kings) (Swan City Vampires)
“Multnomah” (Swan City Vampires)
“Scorpion” (Scorpion)
“The Watchman” (Swan City Vampires)
“Vultures Await” (Vultures Await)
“Paradise, Basically” (Swan City Vampires)
“Rosanky” (Scorpion)
“Pulleys” (Swan City Vampires)
“Just To Know What You’ve Been Dreaming” (Live for WFHB Firehouse Sessions, Vultures Await)
“Chalked Lines-Waxed Sun” (Swan City Vampires)
“Through the Fog, Then Down” (Centro-matic, Take Pride In Your Long Odds)

Will Johnson
Firehouse Sessions–Will Johnson
Thanks for Giving a Damn with Otis Gibbs, Episode 56: Will Johnson

Host & Producer: Doug Storm
Board Engineer: Jonathan Richardson
Executive Producer: Joe Crawford
Photo of Will Johnson

Interchange – Toxic Prison Blues: The Prison Ecology Project


With me today to discuss the environmental hazards facing America’s prison population as well as the environmental hazards caused by prisons themselves is co-host Micol Siegel, who is an associate professor in the American Studies and History Departments at Indiana University. And joining us by phone is our guest Panagioti Tsolkas of the Human Rights Defense Center who’s here to tell us about the HRDC’s Prison Ecology Project which works to shine a light on the way prisons and jails are built on or near landfills, toxic waste dumps, Superfund cleanup sites, and coal mining sites, and that they are vulnerable to natural disasters such as flooding and environmental hazards like contaminated water.

According to HRDC, there is overwhelming evidence that the population of people in prison represents one of the most vulnerable and uniquely-overburdened demographics in our nation; people of low-income, black, Hispanic/Latino and Native Americans are consistently over-represented in prisons and jails in every one of our 50 states.

We’ll also hear from Paul Wright, Director of the Human Rights Defense Center, and Editor of the Prison Legal News, via the magic of editing. Paul Wright was one of the speakers on a panel called “Ecology of the Police State” which was part of the recent Public Interest Environmental Law Conference and we’ll be playing clips from that event throughout the program.

Crucial to the discussion and understanding of the politics and economics of this issue is a common or tacit acceptance that the incarcerated person represents a kind of waste management dilemma.

Panagioti Tsolkas, Prison Ecology Project Coordinator, Human Rights Defense Center.

“Parchman Farm Blues” by Bukka White
“New Prisoner’s Song” by Dock Boggs
“Early In the Mornin’” sung by “22″, Little Red, Tangle Eye, and Hard Hair, from “Prison Songs: Historical Recordings from Parchman Farm 1947-48,” Vol. 1.
“Work Song” by Charles Mingus

Human Rights Defense Center
Updates from the Fight to Stop a New Toxic Prison in Central Appalachia
Federal prison in Letcher County wrong for region, environment, prisoners
Activists Work to Stop Building of New Prison in Appalachia
The Ecology of a Police State: 2015 Public Interest Environmental Law Conference panel
Public Interest Environmental Law Conference

Producer & Host: Doug Storm
Co-Host: Micol Seigel
Board Engineer: Joe Crawford
Executive Producer: Joe Crawford

Interchange – Mixed Nuts: Clint Eastwood’s Life In the Movies


In a 2002 interview Patrick McGilligan said of Clint Eastwood, “I think he’s a lazy actor and a lazy director. He’s a great image. This book is about how the image and the reality complement each other. There’s a false morality about Clint, the false morality of his life, which becomes the false morality of his films. It’s a disgusting reality, it’s all right to get revenge and kill people in nasty ways. It’s OK to triumph in comic book fashion over people as long as they’re evil. The message of his films in human and moral terms is that Clint wins, Clint survives, and good triumphs over evil because he’s always defined as good despite how many people he shoots…” For “Mixed Nuts” we talk with McGilligan about Clint Eastwood’s life and look specifically at a few representative films: Dirty Harry, Unforgiven, and American Sniper.

Patrick McGilligan is a film historian and writer. His biography on Alfred Hitchcock, Alfred Hitchcock: A Life in Darkness and Light, was a finalist for the Edgar Award. He is the author of two New York Times Notable Books, and he lives in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He is also noted for his biography on Clint Eastwood, Clint: The Life and Legend (updated and reissued by O/R Books), which reveals much about Eastwood which his official biography by Richard Schickel left out. In addition to Hitchcock and Eastwood, he has written biographies on Robert Altman, James Cagney, George Cukor, Fritz Lang, Oscar Micheaux, Jack Nicholson, and Nicholas Ray. He is also an editor of Backstory, which features interviews of Hollywood screenwriters and is published by the University of California Press.

Clint: The Life and Legend
From the publisher’s website:

With just one syllable, the man is identified: there can only be one Clint, the American lone wolf personified. And now, in the last few years, Clint Eastwood has become the point man for the American conservative movement, known for a certain lecture to an empty chair and his runaway hit “American Sniper.”

When this biography first appeared, it was met with critical praise for its research, and anger on the part of its subject to the point where he sued the author for $10 million: that suit, which resulted in the effective suppression of the book in the United States, was eventually settled without penalty or threat of future reprisal. Now updated and drawing on extensive interviews with intimates, legal documents and behind-the-scenes reportage on the making of his most famous (and obscure) films, Clint: The Life and Legend is, for fans as well as non-fans, the ultimate life story of this corroded pillar of Hollywood.

This update from the original edition encompasses Clint’s personal life since then — divorce, reality television, and Clint’s appearance before the 2012 Republican National Convention — and all his recent films, through to the success and controversy of “American Sniper.”

The Man With No Name BBC 1977 Documentary
At Home with Clint Eastwood (1970)
Occurrences of rape in Clint Eastwood movies

Intro: “Gran Torino” (theme) mixed with “Tumbling Tumbleweeds,” performed by Clint Eastwood
First Break: “Don’t Fence Me In,” performed by Clint Eastwood
Second Break: “Barroom Buddies,” performed by Merle Haggard and Clint Eastwood
Outro: “No Sweater Cheater Than You,” performed by Clint Eastwood

Producer & Host: Doug Storm
Board and Music Engineer: Jonathan Richardson
Executive Producer: Joe Crawford

Interchange – Preview: Sheepdog Theory in Eastwood’s American Sniper

Interchange_Logoby Doug Storm

I watched American Sniper, prepping for tonight’s Interchange interview (6 pm) with Clint Eastwood biographer Patrick McGilligan, and discovered there is a bit of “warrior philosophy” inserted into Chris Kyle’s (the sniper) childhood in order to give him motivation; it’s about sheep, wolves and sheepdogs. Well, this was cribbed for the movie (it’s not in Kyle’s autobiography according to Slate) from a retired military guy named David Grossman from his book On Combat (he has many others with catchy titles, On Killing, for example). Here’s Grossman:

If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen: a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath—a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? Then you are a sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero’s path.

If you dive down the google rabbit hole into this world of “warrior sheepdogs” you find this philosophy rampant among those “defenders of our freedom”–the 2nd Amendment Party–who believe they are sheepdogs. Of course, the military is not their friend because the leaders of the “new world order” recognize that “patriots” are terrorists against the global order.

Indeed down that rabbit hole I found this:

Warrior Class
In 1994 the Pentagon’s deputy chief of staff for intelligence, a Major Ralph Peters, wrote a position paper, Warrior Class:

The desire for patriotism is considered an enemy doctrine. The U.S. armed forces must be prepared to fight against all those who oppose the New World Order and who are holding out for nationalism… This new warrior class is most dangerous because they consist of those who fight out of strong religious beliefs… There is a worldwide class of patriots (i.e., “terrorists”) who number in the millions, and if the current trend continues, there may be more of these who…love freedom and are the target of the New World Order… You cannot bargain and compromise with these warriors… We, as the military, need to commit more training to counter these warrior threats. We must have an active campaign to win over the populace. This must be coupled with irresistible violence.
- from the McAlvany Intelligence Advisor, May/June 1994

There you have it. Patriotic American Gunowners are the number one Enemy of the New World Order. Since we can’t be bargained or compromised with, prepare for “irresistible violence.”

We don’t need to use “McAlvany Intelligence Advisor” as the source for this, but can just google the author, Ralph Peters. This quote comes from this paper in Parameters called The New Warrior Class (a very dangerous one apparently). Parameters, in case you were unaware, is the US Army War College Quarterly journal.

As interesting to me is that the Wikipedia entry for Peters does not list this particular publication but promotes Peters primarily as a novelist, and as a talking head expert for Fox News. Also interesting is that here are two retired military “experts” offering the “pro” and “con” of the so-called sheepdog. By the way, the sheepdogs, as far as I can tell, are protecting an ideology, not actual “sheep,” weakling people who don’t carry guns and are not very manly. And Grossman classes police with soldiers. So all these Black men being killed by police are wolves then?

Here’s a link to the sheepdog scene in American Sniper on the Youtube, and here is clip of David Grossman selling his sheepdog wares. And here is a clip of Sam Sheepdog and Ralph Wolf.

Please note that Eastwood begins the scene with a shot of the pocket Bible Chris Kyle will take with him into the military and Iraq. There is zero evidence that Eastwood himself has any personal interest in religion or “faith.”

What’s troubling about movies as products is that one can evade responsibility for any philosophy on the screen. Eastwood could simply be telling this story the way he thinks it should be told as coming from the subject, Chris Kyle; the way an audience will best identify with it; possibly as representative of his own belief. Without him saying, “I believe X and I intended the audience to identify/sympathize with X point of view,” I can’t really put this on Eastwood the man. But I can’t call this art either. It’s a cultural product made for entertainment and profit. Made with skill and talent, but art? As far as I can tell Eastwood makes money, not art. He makes money real good! I imagine him not as a believer but as an opportunistic cynic. Still, that opinion has no authority. McGilligan’s biography does, however, give it quite a bit of ballast.

RELATED: Scott Horton (who has appeared on Interchange) posted this on Facebook with a link to a news article in German–American sheepdogs?

When a gunman armed with a Kalashnikov threatened passengers on the Amsterdam to Paris train, the service personnel locked themselves away in a bathroom and were utterly useless, but three young Americans took the initiative at grave physical risk to subdue the assailant and prevent a massacre. Does this tell us something about the difference between Americans and Europeans? Yes, argues Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung editor Lorenz Hemicker, “In the US, the people believe that they are responsible for their own safety first and foremost. That may lead to some other social problems. But on Friday, this conviction led to saving the lives of hundreds. And that should give us reason to pause.”

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